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possible early Ming bowl

by Ryan
(Thailand)

Hello again.. I found one more that has been bothering me because I can't find anything resembling the outer flower motifs. From what I have been studying lately, this bowl kind of resembles an early Ming due to the colors and only using simple flowers for decoration. I have seen some other early Ming bowls with simple dots inside the bowl as well, I am not sure if that is found on the bowls of many reigns or not. To be honest, I guess it might not even be Chinese! I am just thinking that it is. Talk to you soon!!

Ryan

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by: peter

Ryan, I have some reservations about this, because the first thing that struck me was the shape.
But first, yes Dehua kiln did produce items with such a gray color. There are early Qing dishes that are even darker. And, the foot rim looks indeed like a Dehua rim, but I have some reservations about the shape. May be my knowledge in this respect is insufficient, but I am pretty sure there aren't many Chinese bowls that are bent outward that much.
mystery bowl
by: Ryan

Thanks for your help on this one Peter. I sometimes just buy items without knowing what they are and just expect them to be identifiable. Most often they are and most bowls like this I pay 15 dollars a piece. I actually asked another collector about this bowl too and he said it was early Qing and from the dehua kilns. I found that to be odd with the gray coloring. I do now see a tiny bit of that worming in some darker spots, now that he mentioned it. It is just very hard to see in small photos. The darker glaze does have a bit of blue in it, but not the dark hues that I am used to seeing normally situated in Dehua peices..
Thanks again
Ryan
B/W bowl
by: peter

I agree with your doubts. My first guess would perhaps be Vietnamese...but I do not know enough about Vietnamese wares.
Those that I have seen resembled Ming wares to some degree, often only with minor differences.
Annam was part of the empire temporarily, during the Ming dynasty; there was probably an influx of immigrant kiln workers from China during the Ming sea prohibition. That could explain the many similar decorations.
Anyway, more recent research appears to show that for some time Annam was in no way inferior to China in view to porcelain exports.

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