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Please help - researching for days with not much luck

by Nige
(Gold Coast, Australia)

I have been given an old chinese plate from a relative in Vietnam. Research indicates that it is from the Xuande period with the Shendu markigs???? I have come across a smaller version of this plate as a bowl and labelled as above but with 100 words??
I am trying to verify anything about this piece and would love some feedback or assistance trying to determine.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards

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Dec 28, 2010
by: peter

Hi again,
I have seen similar ones and they were all either vintage or newer, that is at the earliest first half of the 20th century.
I'm afraid there are just too many discrepancies for it to be antique.
If you are collecting I would advise to just take some distance from this. There is some genuine, excellent porcelain to be had in Southeast Asia, but there are also many fakes. Please be careful.

Dec 27, 2010
re: Please help - researching for days with not much luck
by: Nige

Hi Peter,
Thank-you so much for your speedy reply. yes there are some lighting issues as the photos do not reflect what i see here in front of me. I can send you more but if are quite certain its a fake will not worry about it. The rim is painted in a light brown -
anyway, thank you for your help on this
Kind regards

Dec 27, 2010
by: peter

First, as far as I can see there is only one character on the plate. That is, all characters are variations of the same character (meaning long life), written in different styles.

Unfortuately, to me this plate looks like a fake. With fake I mean it is made to look old, not something like a replica.
There are several incongruencies.

- I cannot see this clearly with these pictures, but it seems there are crackles all over, but all of the same size, more or less. If so, this was made intentionally to look old. Crackles can be made artificially with additives in the glaze, but natural age crackles do not appear that way, usually. And, natural crackles take a considerable time to develop. A 20th century item is unlikely to have natural crackling.
- The back looks relatively newer than the top.
- The mark on the back looks as if it was stamped. Ming marks were never stamped. Also, the foot rim is not right for a Ming dynasty item.
- The color of the central decoration is too bright in comparison with the rest. Could be a photographing problem, though.
- Overall, the characters look printed on these pictures. Can't check the center as there is no closeup picture of it.

Is there a copper metal rim attached, or is the brown rim enamel or the like? If the latter, it is also a sign that it is newer. Antique items may have a metal rim or a thin painted brown rim, but not something thickly applied material.

When I say newer, I mean that it is probably 20th century. Transfer printing was also in use from the 20the century, in China. Usually, if something looks like this it is more likely to be fake, I'm afraid.

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