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Mar 02, 2012
 almost like mine,but this one is so so Big,.
by: Fikri

Dear Peter,. I just want to share an info with You.
here it is :
arts.cultural-china.com/en/31A2140A7389.html

The blue-and-white patterns are brightly colored, and the underglaze is slightly dark red. There's a cover with a lion-shaped knob on top of the jar.

and labyrinth patterns around the surface below the knob =
so this patterns was came first at from Yuan Dynasty,.

& this one is the Legend news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/photo/2011-05/20/c_13885238_2.htm

Thanks.Peter.
Jan 31, 2012
 thanks.
by: fikri

your answers & arguments seems very clear for me,.

Thanks,Peter.
Jan 31, 2012
 faking
by: peter

I will answer the questions 1, 2 and 3 together.
There are two different types of fakes in the world of faking: low-level and high-level.
High-level fakes imitate all and everything, including the glaze and tone of blue and white, etc.
Some fakers even use old production methods, materials, and wood-fired kilns instead of electric kilns to make everything look as authentic as possible. They will copy all age signs and blemishes to a degree that even museum experts can be fooled. These high-level fakes may be expensive, however, and they are not as frequently found as the low-level fakes.

As to the mineral pigments, you can buy many mineral pigments today at art shops which allow mixing to the exact colors. Probably there are more of them available than in old times.

By the way,I have been looking at pictures of items in the Palace Museum in Beijing. There is a Yuan jar which looks as if it could have been the model for yours, although it is bigger and all elements look right, of course.
Jan 31, 2012
 thank you,.
by: fikri

please,give me an answers,,.
1. is there any cobald blue element/compositions till now,?
2. is there any white bluish glaze or duck's egg color white glaze recently produced,.?
3. whether there is still a red copper produced at the present time that can match the color of red copper when Yuan and early Ming imported from Persia (13th century),?
these questions always bothering me ,.

Thanks,Peter
Jan 30, 2012
 jar
by: peter

The top two characters clearly state "Da Yuan", there is also the Yuan year "Zhizheng one" mentioned.
Please don't try telling me what is written in Chinese, I'm fluent in the language. The word "Ming" is nowhere written in the whole text.

And, the top decoration is definitely Yuan not Ming. It is the decoration near the bottom rim that is NOT Yuan. How can the painting styles of different eras appear on the same item, that is supposedly from the earlier one?
Even if the mark were right, marks are the last thing looked at. All points, including colors, glaze, painting style and subject, etc. must be right for an item to be genuine.
One single point wrong and the conclusion must be that it is a fake or imitation. Evaluation of authenticity is not based on personal opinion, it is based on learning and (much) experience in handling both authentic and fake items.
Jan 29, 2012
 please recheck again the Poetry marking
by: fikri

it's not Yuan,. strongly wrote on " DA MING ",.
EARLY MING ALMOST USE THE SAME MATERIAL WITH YUAN & OF COURSE THERE WERE MANY DIFFERENCES STYLE OF PAINTING,..

Thanks,Peter.,
Jan 29, 2012
 it is DA - MING ,,.,,,etc
by: fikri

Dear Peter,.
please pay attention to the marking at the base,.
wrote on ' DA MING ZHUANDE,,...etc.
so it is absolutely EARLY MING,.

Thanks,Peter.,
Jan 28, 2012
 lidded jar
by: peter

Hello,
Your item is not the real thing, I'm afraid.
My knowledge of Yuan blue and white and underglaze red ceramics is limited.
But with this I am pretty sure it is fake. Hope you did not pay too much for this. The faker(s) didn't know enough of Yuan blue and white porcelain to fake to copy it convincingly.

I have once handled Yuan blue and white porcelain, and from that I know that the tone of the white and blue are different, and the glaze is not glossy as that shown in the pictures of the lid and bottom, for example.

There are only few Yuan BW items with marks known, and the controversy whether they are genuine is not resolved. Some researchers in China seem to think that they are fakes, and that Yuan BW porcelains never were marked in the first place.

But to me one thing is for sure: Yuan dynasty items do not have a glazed bottom. Further, the decorative band of petals along the bottom is wrong for Yuan. These symbolic petals are painted in the style of the Ming dynasty. Apparently the person painting them did not know that they were different on Yuan porcelain. You can look for "coffee pots" a few message up in this blog to see a better example of how this Yuan decoration should look (although this item also is a fake it is painted much more realistic).

I wonder who told you that blood was used for the painting? That is close to impossible. Porcelain is fired at about 1300 degree Celsius. Any organic matter would either be combusted or evaporate at such temperatures.
C1olors were painted with mineral paints, and that is true also for underglaze red. The mineral components of these paints cannot disappear in high temperatures. The composition of these colors are well known today.

Please read this page to see what a good fake looks like: http://www.taimantis.com/chinese/lesson.html
Here, the decoration looks much more real.

BTW, I forgot to mention that the painting style is not true to the Yuan dynasty painting style. The Yuan used a very specific technique, here another method was used that was employed only later.

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