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Is this a Song or Ming Celadon or what ever...

by Kenny Kumala
(Singkawang, Indonesia)

Dear Peter,
I need your help and friends to identified this item,

Regards,
Kenny

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Mar 29, 2011
 Chinese one?
by: Kenny

Probably the unknown mark be a question, if it is a Chinese product or not. But are there also many product which we cannot identification the mark are still Chinese product? but Peter, I'm still sure this is an old items, but from where, that is the question... Btw, did you receive the small ewer I sent bevore?

Regards

Kenny
Mar 29, 2011
 ewer
by: peter

Kenny,
The mark is wrong. It contains no Chinese at all. How do you explain this?
Mar 29, 2011
 Is this a Song or Ming Celadon or what ever...
by: Kenny

Hi Peter,

This is just an opinion from me to that item: at the bottom of this ewer/kettle is a vapor/steam hole so I thing this can a distillation function, the form of it is like a cucurbit, what in China is a lot of rice wine (alcohol) bottle has this form, and in the past the Chinese traveler often use this cucurbit to put their drink water with them. (the name of this form in Chinese Hakka they call it 'Fu Lu Tut', soory I can speak Hakka Chinese) 'Tut' means bottle, I still thing this is a Chinese objects/item. Sometime, we see some antique item we have the feeling if it's a fake or not after 20 years I collect antiques. because when I was 'greenhorn' I bought a lot of fake items, hahaha, but some of the fakes still has their value. beside that I've a very good friends, he work many years in a kiln in my town, so he has very good experience about glacier, in the 80's they produce a lot of 'martavan' fakes. They even export it to Philippine and another SEA countries, but by the trend has changed now 'the have' like the big martavan from China. so most of the kiln are closed now. The problem is the traditional kiln in my town can only produce ceramics, because the 'dragon oven' can only reach temperature of about 1100 Celsius degree. So they can't win the competition with the China Product. Peter, wenn mein English 'am ende' ist, kann ich zum Deutsch ueberschpriengen? denn Ich habe eine Deutsche Mutter (Chinesischer Vater), und war 12 Jahre in Berlin studierte an der FU, zuvor war 4 Jahre in ein Internatschule am Bodensee.

Regards,

Kenny
Mar 28, 2011
 green glazed pottery item
by: peter

Hi Kenny,
This basically doesn't look Chinese to me. I wonder what it is for? And, what are the two things with wings? Looks like two fat moths. If this should be bats, what I would expect with a Chinese item, then the artisan had no idea how bats look.
Further, looking at the mark I cannot see any character that is readable, doesn't look like Chinese characters.
Therefore, I think that may be a fake made outside China, perhaps in Southeast Asia.
What do you think?

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