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Identifying Mark/Form Please

by Elizabeth
(Frederick, MD)

Hi, Can you help identify/confirm any information on this porcelain? I think mark is Da Qing Guangxu Nianzhi, which may date it between 1875-1908. I think it may be Famille Verte, in wucai form (is this the correct way to phrase it?). Features both a five clawed dragon and a rising phoenix. Mark appears to be stamped, with some blurring on the final character. I haven't been able to find anything similar to the container, so if someone can tell me "what" it is would also be great. I would appreciate any information you can provide.

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Dec 03, 2010
Thanks Peter!
by: Elizabeth

Thank you for so quickly responding to my inquiry. I knew it was too good to be true when I saw the mark dated to early 20th C, but was stamped. Not too bad for $1, but Ebay bound it is!
What a neat site you have!

Dec 01, 2010
Jar? Mug?
by: peter

Hi Elizabeth,
Honestly, I am not sure if this could be classified as famille verte. This is a western type of classification which is based on the predominant color - does it appear green? No, it is not Wucai. Wucai is an early color decoration that was almost non-existent from the 19th century. I would think that is enamelled porcelain.

You have already identified the problems I have with this item. The mark is stamped, and the shape looks like nothing antique I have seen. Actually, the shape looks more like the modern containers the Chinese use at work, for drinking tea or hot water, with a lid to keep it warm as long as possible. That is, minus the handle...

In my view that cannot be Guangxu, all marks of that reign I have seen were written by hand. The conclusion must be that it is a later copy of the mark. I also think that the shape is newer, especially that of the lid and knob.
I'm afraid the item looks like one of those porcelain items that are still being sold and have the appearance of antique items. A mix of old and new. So, it would be vintage at the most. That is my personal view. Please ask for a second opinion.

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