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Help with this red mark

by John

We want to know the age and significance of this red mark. I will provide more photos if requested. Thanks in advance...

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Apr 12, 2010
by: peter


This is printed not hand-painted. The red of the flowers and mark look as if they were added on top of the glaze. If you scratch it (the mark) with a hard object, the color probably comes off easily, especially from the mark.
I suspect the mark wasn't there when the bowl was made. A printed bowl with a hand-painted mark is unreasonable, don't you think?

Also, I cannot identify the decoration as Chinese. If it is, for sure it is modern, not antique. Please be aware that a dirty object does not mean it is old. I wish I could tell you something better about this. The other bowls are an altogether different matter.

Apr 12, 2010
to peter
by: John

Thanks for your comments.
Here are the photos:

In checking with 10-times magnifying lens,the color on the bowl are thick red, in block and very strange to appear to have blue red and white. Thick layers of red seem not fire in the same time as blue, still under the white layer, not under the surface of the bowl. I think it could be the begining time of mixing with red and blue. The bowl was found under the ground while digging the well. We believe these deteriorations on the mark are by nature. It is more obvious on the lowest boundary straight line. I hope these new photos of the bowl will be sufficient for your judgement.

Please let me know if you need more info/pictures. Thanks again and we look forward to your professional opinion.

Apr 10, 2010
red mark
by: peter

Don't know this mark, but looks rather like a 20th century mark. Here too the question is why is the mark scratched? Looks like if it is on the glaze (added after firing?) insted underneath. If it was added later, than it might be insignificant in relation to the source/age of the porcelain item. The tone of the red is also not the usual color tone of red marks. They normally are bright red, although there may be exceptions. Any item picture?

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