early ching blue and white

by stan day
(Milwaukie Oregon)

Hi Peter, It has been awhile since l posted, sorry, but I always enjoy what others post, so here is my latest addition to my collection, please let my know what the characters say, This jar is missing the lid and it has had some minor repair, it stands about 10 1/2 inches high and 8 1/4 wide, please let me know how old you think it is, the writing on the bottom was on it when I bought it from an antique dealer. hope you enjoy the pictures, let my know it you need more, thanks from Stan.

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authentication of early ching blue and white
by: stan day

Hi Peter, I read an add in the news paper that they would appraise and buy Chinese antiques, so I took this jar to have it authenticated, they were renting a conference room where they appraised the jar, there were four Chinese gentlemen that specialized in chinese porcelain, and jade and only high end Chinese antiques, so I took a few things with me, they said that they represented a group of investors that buy certain Chinese antiques and that they had at hand millions of dollars to buy Chinese antiques, as soon as I laid out my antiques they all came over and looked over my items they bought several items that I had and said the jar is a ginger jar and that it is missing the lid and had some damage, the damage is the crack that formed and was filled and they said that it is of the Kangzi period, they offered me more than ten times what I paid for it, I decided not to sell it because I do not have anything like it in my collection, one thing that they did was they had a loupe magnifier and a small light they used to examine the jar, after I took it home I examined it my self with my loupe and what I could see is millions of tiny air bubbles in the glaze that is on top of the blue paint, If someone added to the jar it would have to be over the bubbles wouldn't it ?, I will send so more true to color pictures when I have better lighting, thanks peter for your opinion. I wish you could do a hands on inspection on this jar it really is amazing, talk to you later. stan.

tone of colors
by: stan day

Hi Peter, the colors are the same throughout the jar the darker tones are heavily painted to thiner giving the impression of different color blues, I could not get clear pictures I will send more pictures when I get a sunny day with the lighting I had it was as close as I could get, the pictures I took of the whole jar showed more of the true color, the patine on the jar looks the same as the shine of jade and all the paint is under the glaze, there is one spot on the left side of the banner that the man is carrying that has been touched up, you can see from the inside of the jar that a stress crack has formed and was filled and painted in that area and that area is a different color. from the inside it looks natural, a crack that formed from age and not damage, I will take a picture of that also and send for you to look at, in my opinion this is the way it was made and not added at a latter date, the glaze in that case would be shiny and not that dull look that only comes from age, when you handle this jar, I mean hands on, you know that its different not like the latter porcelain, it seems heavier and it has a certain feel to it that you can't get from the latter porcelains.

ginger jar
by: peter

Hi Stan.
Thank you for the additional pictures. Basically, the shape seems to be a shape popular in the early Qing dynasty. The jar itself looks old to me.

But the painting is too detailed and does not quite conform to Kangxi, in my opinion. The other thing that concerns me is the tone of blue. The first pictures show a different blue, probably due to different lighting conditions. Can you check if the writing and picture are the same blue? The blue of the writing (and writing style would be right for early Qing). What I would also like you to do is to examine the whole thing closely, to see if the blue tone is always the same.
You may have different depths (darker and lighter areas) of blues which were created by thinning the color, but you should not have another hue that seems to have a tint of yellow, etc. I think you got what I mean...
If for example there are different tints of blue, please check if there could be a very simple decoration there that was overpainted.

Again, the picture shows a bit too many details for a pre-20th century decoration, while the jar is old.
Single hairs, creases in the clothing, etc. aren't very detailed in classical Chinese painting.

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early ching blue and white

by stan day
(Milwaukie Oregon)

Hi again Peter, here is some more pictures of my jar. thanks again,

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jar
by: peter

Hi Stan,
First, I cannot tell what the characters mean although I can read them. It seems to be a poem or reference to a historical oder literary matter which possibly only those who had Chinese history or literature classes in school know.

I cannot tell anything about the item with these pictures. You would have to provide partial pictures showing the figures, horses and faces clearly.
These smaller images show some depth of detail which is unusual for this type of item. Would need verification. A picture of the whole bottom might also help.

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early ching blue and white

by stan day
(Milwaukie Oregon)

here is more close up pictures.

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early ching blue and white

by stan day
(Milwaukie Oregon)

Hi Peter, It is cloudy out side and I am having a hard time getting clear pictures, however I will perceiver, here is what I took this morning.

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