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discussion of Chinese painting with western influence

by Shelley
(France)

Peter,
Thank you for enlightening me on this topic. I visited the palace museum in Taipei this summer and in a catalogue, I found a photo of a Qianlong lady on this subject. The painting style looks very much like the people on my vase sent earlier. What do you think?
Shelley

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western painting style on Chinese porcelain
by: Shelley

Peter,
After reading what you have written, can I draw the conclusion that one of my Chinese vases and the censer sent to this forum earlier could be late Qiang, around 1900?
Thank you for your patience.
Shelley
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Shelley,
My answer to your previous post did not get posted before you wrote this. I think you find the answer in the last one.
P.
decoration
by: peter

I'm afraid you aren't there yet. :-) You look at the overall impression of the faces, but you omit to look at the style of the strokes, outlines, etc.

The picture you uploaded looks as if it were Falangcai, that would be imperial ware. Minyao wares do not show this style, because those wares were usually painted in the palace (造辦處)

...right, just did an image search using 琺瑯彩 after writing the above, and I found its companion.
catalog.digitalarchives.tw/item/00/33/49/e2.html
This site mentions Falangcai here:
https://www.chinese-antique-porcelain.com/decoration-types.html
western influences
by: peter

Shelley, we need a lot to learn to understand the whys and hows.
The Falangcai porcelain made in the palace shows western influences, but other porcelain made in private kilns (民窰) does not.
In the 18th century painters like 郎世寧 (Lang Shi-ning) brought western painting influences into China. But these were limited to imperial wares, mostly, probably because he was (they were) court painters, and the palace probably guarded these styles and did not allow them to be leaked to the general public. (With this I mean that the imperial wares were kept secret.)
There are precedents for such behaviour in the Song dynasty, etc.

So, you may find some imperial wares of the 18th centuryhave a slightly western aspect. Only in the late Qing dynasty or early republic, after the Qing dynasty ended, did such items appear outside the palace. So, normally, Falangcai items would be either imperial or 20th century. But, imitating the Falangcai style itself does not necessarily make them Falangcai.

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